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Finding good Java forums

I've found these so far, I'd like to find more. It's always so useful to read and follow an interesting thread on Java programming, you learn from the discussion and the examples given.

Java.net forums
Sun Forums
TheServerSide discussions
BrainJava
JavaRanch: Big Moose Saloon
JavaLobby.org

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Artima: Java Answers Forum
JavaGaming.org
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